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It is one of those problems that is not really recognised ... although it exists ina  few forms, and those who suffer with it have a very hard time coping ... exhaustion, waking tired, feeling of muscle weekness, headaches, eye pain, joint pain ... etc.  However, although it is not always seen as something severe it can lead to total immobility, and secondary problems due to lack of ability for personal care.

Some people have miss used the phrase, putting it is an excuse for a "sickie" .... but let me assure you it is real!

Yes, that is what the final 99% diagnosis is ... I think my doctor is not wanting to admit that is the reason I am so rough, as sadly there is no cure ... just learning to manage the symptoms.

So 10 months in, and that is what I have ... and this week has shown me what that exhaustion is like ... not getting out of bed most of Tuesday, yet still feeling exhausted come Wednesday.

Oh well, at least I know it's nothing nasty (as such) I just need to learn to rest more, and avoid stress ... HA, HA, HA

Thanks for all the support over these months ... I dare say I may have a rant at some time again in the future!

Date: 2014-10-09 07:54 pm (UTC)
jerusha: (m/s here for you)
From: [personal profile] jerusha
*hugs* You know, I had been wondering if your problem might not be CFS. I've known a couple of people with it, and it can really be disabling. Here's hoping you find some good management techniques. (You might find some helpful information here. I've used their products before and have liked them.)

Date: 2014-10-09 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (known as Myalgic Encephalomyltis elsewhere, or CFS/ME) as well. I have for years. I am very sorry you do too.

It's a crappy club, and friendly as we are, we don't particularly want new members. :p

{{{{gentle hugs}}}}

Date: 2014-10-09 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
P.S. -- The illness has a range of courses, and I don't have the spoons to keep up with all the research and activist ins and outs, but feel free to ask me any questions I might be able to answer. By private message, if you like.

(Spoons refers to the The Spoon Theory, written by a woman with Lupus.)

Date: 2014-10-09 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
P.P.S. -- It's been pretty quiet for awhile, but you'd be welcome on my comm [livejournal.com profile] fandom_is_sick, a comm for fans with chronic illnesses. (Posts don't have to be fandom-related.)

Date: 2014-10-15 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
Welcome to the comm! Feel free to post anything chronic illness-related.

As for the Spoon Theory, I know it's long. The general idea is, spoons represent your energy, and you only have a limited number of them to "spend" in a given day. For some reason it's a short-hand that's caught on in the chronic illness community. :)

Date: 2014-10-15 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
Thank you for telling us. It's tempting to "fake normal" online, but it can be isolating, as well.

A basic theory of coping... hmm. Every person is different, and has to figure out their own limits. Some people can keep working, some people can't. Some people become bedridden, and others, eventually, can mostly carry on normally. Some people recover, and some don't. But here are some things I'd suggest, not as easy fixes, but ideas to consider:

1) Be kind to yourself. Pushing yourself too hard can make yourself worse. And being ill is not your fault.

2) Don't assume doctors know your body better than you do. Especially don't trust doctors who do not see CFS/ME as a physical illness, or who believe you're merely "de-conditioned." Look for doctors who listen and respect you. (Patient organizations may be able to point you in the right direction.)

3) Allow yourself to grieve and get angry if you need to. Chronic illness sucks.

4) Post-exertional malaise -- PEM -- is the CFS/ME term for feeling crappier after you've exerted yourself. There seems to be some evidence that this is a measurable phenomenon, shown in two day exercise tests, or in gene expression blood work.

In practical terms this means that you may be able to do something one day, and not the next day or the next five days. This can be frustrating to you, and confusing for your loved ones or colleagues. If they're open to learning about it, you can explain about PEM and needing to recover. (People who refuse to learn just refuse. to. learn.)

5) This one I'd been sick for a long time before I saw in somebody's blog, and it made a big difference: Instead of being angry with our bodies for "betraying us" or "failing us" by being exhausted, it can help to try to think of the fatigue as our bodies protecting us. If we try to do too much at a given stage of our illness, or on a given day, we can do ourselves lasting harm. Exhaustion (like pain) is information -- it tells us, "Stop. Rest."

I hope that was somewhat illuminating, and wasn't too much or too depressing. :)

Date: 2014-10-16 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
Ok, one more. And this is possibly going to sound contradictory to 1) and 6).

6) Don't stop living your life.

This one, I really wish someone had told me earlier. It can seem like we should focus all our efforts on getting better. People will tell us to do this. (When what they mean is, take time off from work/school, which may be a good idea depending on your health.)

Thing is, we can think we should put everything else on hold and devote ourselves to our health. We can even, on some level, feel that we don't deserve others' time, or to do anything purely for enjoyment, especially if we can't work or go to school.

But the thing is, there's no timeframe anyone can give us for getting better, or even (and I know this is hard to hear) any guarantees whatsoever that we will. So within the limits of our spoons, we just need to, as they say in Monty Python, "Get on with it."

Date: 2014-10-16 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisficklemob.livejournal.com
Oops, I meant sound contradictory to 1) and 5).

Date: 2014-10-09 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikereader.livejournal.com
*hugs* I've been wondering for the last few weeks whether it was ME - I worked with someone who suffered from it about 20 years ago, and in those days it really was seen as just an excuse for laziness and not wanting to work.

I know it's not a diagnosis you want to hear, but it looks as though there is help and support here on LJ for you, and hopefully your doctor will be supportive as well.

Date: 2014-10-09 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com
Well, at least you have a diagnosis.

:: hugs ::

Date: 2014-10-10 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com
At least you know, although a depressing diagnosis given that there is no real cure. I'd suggest Vit. B supplements, if nothing else.

Date: 2014-10-10 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I am glad that you now know what the problem is - a lot of things you don't have to worry about, at least, even if is not exactly something anyone would want.

Date: 2014-10-10 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fudgepickles.livejournal.com
Is this what you expected or better or worse? Based on past posts, I think this diagnosis might be somewhat a relief. I am sure you'll be able to manage fine once you figure out what can set off the symptoms. Wishing you the best!

Date: 2014-10-10 08:45 pm (UTC)
cordykitten: (noaluvjames comfort (spuffy))
From: [personal profile] cordykitten
I've just checked Wikepedia what this is (having heard it before). *sigh* This sucks - I hoped for something that has a cure when a diagnostic is made.

*hugs you tight*

Date: 2014-10-11 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikesjojo.livejournal.com
Have you looked at the possibility of sleep apnea in addition CFS? It might help. In addition to all the arthritis and surgeries I have fibromyalgia. I've learned not to even talk about it.

Get scented candles, or flowers, or just all of what you love. It won't help the CFS but it will make the time easier to bear. Treat yourself in any way that you like - chocolate, swimming (float), wine coolers, brie.... It doesn't make it go away either but it might make you smile for a bit. That can be a victory.

Edited Date: 2014-10-11 03:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-10-11 07:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazzy-cee.livejournal.com
I did start to suspect that was what you had. A former colleague has a family member who has it. They have tried the exercise therapy and are finding it helps.

Date: 2014-10-14 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahw37.livejournal.com
I'd missed this post.

CFS is a mare but you will learn how to pace yourself and listen to what your body is telling you and it will get more manageable.

And there are really good online support groups out there

(((hugs))

It will be OK. honestly, it will.

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