B,tVS - Season 2, Lie To Me.
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debris4spikeJust seen that it was on the 10th June I watched Hallowean ... and I am only just able to get round to watching more of season 2 tonight. Toni's youngest daughter came and borrowed my DVDs ... and I only got them back again last week. So, after Mum, Dad and Jiffy left this evening I did the washing up and settled down with a mug of tea to watch the next episode -
Lie To Me.
What a great title:-
First Dru offers to walk a young lad safely home. Although she does then tell the truth when she calls Angel "My Angel" as he greets her.
Then Ford tells Buffy that he has moved to Sunnydale to be at school.
Angel tells Buffy that he had not left his room the previous evening, had just stayed in and read.
Buffy tells Ford that he had seen her watching a cat-fight, when he catches her slaying.
Ford tells Diego that he s going to arrange for all the group to die young (well that bit is true) and stay pretty (yes, another lie).
Then you have a couple of great scenes.
Firstly Willow, Xander and Angel at the club ... getting in with a lie, of course (Friends of Ford). The scene is lovely, with Angel talking down Chanterelle, but not actually giving her the reason why she is wrong in her beliefs. Then as they leave, with Angel telling X & W that these people know nothing about vampires ... only to bump into someone dressed identically!
Then you cut to the school - and it is lovely to see Giles and Jenny chatting, with Buffy joining in the banter about theri trip to the Monster-Trucking. It was so sad that Giles and Jenny couldn't have had longer together - so unsuited on the surface, and yet a lovely couple.
This last scene also brings another lie ... in fact "two for the price of one" when Giles describes Dru as :-
"The sometimes paramour of Spike, who was killed by an angry mob"
How much more wrong can you get?
As Ford goes to see Spike, you get to see firther of Spike and Dru's century long relationship.
Spike starts off by questioning Dru about what she has been doing and is obviously jealous of Angel.
Yet, when Ford arrives he is annoyed and goes to attack, only to be stopped by one word from Dru.
Again, you see both of their acting abilities ... and also James' comic touch when he quotes back to Ford, as requested.
When Angel goes to confront Buffy with what he has found out about Ford, he finds himself being asked about Drusilla. He says that :-
"Some lies are necessary. Sometimes the truth is worse"
I don't know - maybe he has a point - there are some things that maybe it is easier to lie about ... But, there is also the phrase - Truth will out. So maybe, in most cases, it is easier to tell the truth first, then having to be found out in a lie.
And so to Buffy meeting eith the vampire wanabees ... and yes, there in the backgroung is a Spike look-alike (Well there ahd to be, as there had been an Angel).
Buffy still was able to see the big pictue, even while hearing sad news of her childhood friend ... Maybe that's an advantage of being the Slayer, she sees so much death, that she can accept the fact that Ford is terminally ill. And, she is sad about his decisions.
Much is said about Spike's devotion to Dru. This scene is the one that is usually quoted ... And quite rigthly so. It shows Spike's devotion to his lady and his position as a Master Vampire, in that he can stop his minions from feeding. And, he risks upsetting his minions for the love of his life.
Then, at the end, Buffy realises that maybe it is good to hear a lie and while in the graveyard, she asks Giles to lie.
Maybe we need to hear that more often ...
The good guys will win and you will always know which are the bad guys.
~~~
It is a good episode - and nice to see Angel working with Willow and Xander to try to help Buffy. At this point of the story it is an ideal situation - with most of the main "good guys" getting on to a certain point, and all are working for a common cause.
What a great title:-
First Dru offers to walk a young lad safely home. Although she does then tell the truth when she calls Angel "My Angel" as he greets her.
Then Ford tells Buffy that he has moved to Sunnydale to be at school.
Angel tells Buffy that he had not left his room the previous evening, had just stayed in and read.
Buffy tells Ford that he had seen her watching a cat-fight, when he catches her slaying.
Ford tells Diego that he s going to arrange for all the group to die young (well that bit is true) and stay pretty (yes, another lie).
Then you have a couple of great scenes.
Firstly Willow, Xander and Angel at the club ... getting in with a lie, of course (Friends of Ford). The scene is lovely, with Angel talking down Chanterelle, but not actually giving her the reason why she is wrong in her beliefs. Then as they leave, with Angel telling X & W that these people know nothing about vampires ... only to bump into someone dressed identically!
Then you cut to the school - and it is lovely to see Giles and Jenny chatting, with Buffy joining in the banter about theri trip to the Monster-Trucking. It was so sad that Giles and Jenny couldn't have had longer together - so unsuited on the surface, and yet a lovely couple.
This last scene also brings another lie ... in fact "two for the price of one" when Giles describes Dru as :-
"The sometimes paramour of Spike, who was killed by an angry mob"
How much more wrong can you get?
As Ford goes to see Spike, you get to see firther of Spike and Dru's century long relationship.
Spike starts off by questioning Dru about what she has been doing and is obviously jealous of Angel.
Yet, when Ford arrives he is annoyed and goes to attack, only to be stopped by one word from Dru.
Again, you see both of their acting abilities ... and also James' comic touch when he quotes back to Ford, as requested.
When Angel goes to confront Buffy with what he has found out about Ford, he finds himself being asked about Drusilla. He says that :-
"Some lies are necessary. Sometimes the truth is worse"
I don't know - maybe he has a point - there are some things that maybe it is easier to lie about ... But, there is also the phrase - Truth will out. So maybe, in most cases, it is easier to tell the truth first, then having to be found out in a lie.
And so to Buffy meeting eith the vampire wanabees ... and yes, there in the backgroung is a Spike look-alike (Well there ahd to be, as there had been an Angel).
Buffy still was able to see the big pictue, even while hearing sad news of her childhood friend ... Maybe that's an advantage of being the Slayer, she sees so much death, that she can accept the fact that Ford is terminally ill. And, she is sad about his decisions.
Much is said about Spike's devotion to Dru. This scene is the one that is usually quoted ... And quite rigthly so. It shows Spike's devotion to his lady and his position as a Master Vampire, in that he can stop his minions from feeding. And, he risks upsetting his minions for the love of his life.
Then, at the end, Buffy realises that maybe it is good to hear a lie and while in the graveyard, she asks Giles to lie.
Maybe we need to hear that more often ...
The good guys will win and you will always know which are the bad guys.
~~~
It is a good episode - and nice to see Angel working with Willow and Xander to try to help Buffy. At this point of the story it is an ideal situation - with most of the main "good guys" getting on to a certain point, and all are working for a common cause.
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Date: 2008-07-20 10:41 pm (UTC)There was a scene as I remember of Angel waiting at the Bronze for Buffy. Then he is a bit jealous when he finds out about Ford and his past with Buffy. She gets a little pay back for Angel lying about meeting Drusilla. What girl hasn't loved that moment at least once in her life. Making the guy who won't be honest a bit jealous.
James and Juliet played Spike and Dru as adored lovers at that point. This episode was where we began to see Spike's jealousy of Angel for his relationship to Dru. Love how Dru tried to get the dead bird to sing. It showed how truly off Dru was. Before she just seemed weak and ill. Now she shows she is mad.
Buffy was sad to realize that Ford used her. She had trusted him because he was from her old life and seemed to be fitting into her new role as a slayer. It was shattering for her to find out the truth.
About Angel and Dru. Angel has a blind spot when it comes to Dru. He feels huge guilt for what he did to her. It's why he is never able to kill her. He blames himself for her being damaged as she is.
Giles and Jenny could have been so good. She was lying to him as Angel lied to Buffy. Much of this episode is about how lies hurt the ones you love.
The bit at the end was Buffy seeking a moment to put away the harsh real things of her life and wanting to go back to before she knew about the things that lurked in the dark. So she begged Giles to lie to her.
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Date: 2008-07-21 06:51 am (UTC)To me it was great to see all the group seeing Buffy the slayer - and being there for her as much as they could.
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Date: 2008-07-20 10:42 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-07-21 06:55 am (UTC)I suppose that end scene with Angel asking Buffy, what she had - was started here, in that she can feel sorry for Ford, and yet still tell him he is doing the wrong thing. However much life threw at her (at this point) she still knows what her life (and mission) is about.