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debris4spikeI have just been re-watching Buffy Season 3, as I want to get back to my 3 W.I.P.s .... and on that note, I think I need to watch the series again.
As someone who loves the character of Spike, it is a long series, with one dramatic episode in the middle.
However I do like Oz, and loved watching Wes (seeing as I still haven't watched Angel, this is I know not the Wes many of you love!) ... and really enjoy watching Buffy, herself, in this series.
Over the last few days there has meen a discussion on CDS about Joss and metaphores that were or were not used in the BtVS writings. For me, series 3 is Buffy tryingto come to terms with her first relationship, that hadn't worked out as she had expected. Because I had never been in that situation, I had never thought I could relate ... Then as I saw Angel break up with her, I realised that I did relate to that.
Angel's excuse was that he wanted Buffy to have a "normal" life.
But, she isn't normal - she is "one girl born to save the world" ... now, I'm not that special ... but there again, I'm not like any one else. No, I'm not special, now weird .... I'm normal.
No one is like anyone else.
We are all special, we are all unique.
So, when I mumble about "why me?" ... it's because I am "me" .... My life is different from yours, not just in the obvious facts, but because we are all different.
Angel, himself, was not normal, he knew that, but forgot that Buffy was also a unique person. He missed out, and so I hope that I learn that lesson, and don't miss out on things, because I feel I am not doing something that my friends are doing.
I am special - I am unique ... So are you.
We are all NORMAL.
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Date: 2009-07-06 10:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-06 04:48 pm (UTC)God made me unique - and I know and believe that. Sometimes it is great tro be reminded of that in a secular way, as well.
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Date: 2009-07-06 12:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-06 04:50 pm (UTC)I believe that God made me unique - and it is just great to be reminded of that fact from a secular show, as well.
So true, that often as friends we forget to support each other in this struggle - Thank you for being there.
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Date: 2009-07-06 12:15 pm (UTC)And aren't we lucky that Angel left Buffy so she could have a torrid affair with Spike? ;)
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Date: 2009-07-06 04:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-06 12:49 pm (UTC)And Wesley was SO much better when he joined Angel. He actually grew a set. I think when he was on Buffy, he deserved everything he got because he was such an ass.
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Date: 2009-07-06 04:53 pm (UTC)I really must watch Angel - if only to see Wes develope.
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Date: 2009-07-06 06:23 pm (UTC)Highlight for Spoiler:Wesley's development was interesting to watch, but he ended up disappointing me when he kidnapped Angel's son over a misunderstood prophecy. I never quite forgave him for that because I think he simply wasn't being reasonable. After that, his memory of the whole ordeal (and the fact that Connor was ever born) was actually wiped from his mind until late season 5-ish. When he remembered, he felt so guilty because his actions were what caused the whole gang to sell out and join Wolfram & Hart. The whole thing was rather tragic.
Angel: I think his leaving was devastating for Buffy. You're right; she wasn't normal and therefore couldn't have what Angel wanted for her anyway. Poor thing. Angel also did change over the years and I think by the end of season 4 he could have went back to her if she would've taken him back.
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Date: 2009-07-07 10:43 am (UTC)In some ways it's a pity that season 4 Angel and season 6/7 Buffy wasn't more linked - although would have been confusing for people like me, I suppose.
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Date: 2009-07-07 11:03 pm (UTC)If they ever do a Buffyverse movie, I hope it deals with the aftermath of the last episode of Angel.
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Date: 2009-07-08 06:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-08 01:03 pm (UTC)My opinion on which vampire: You know I like Angel better. I know you like Spike better - but I think such debates are useless because I don't think either side will ever change their opinions.
But Spike... I wish they never killed off Fred because he had some great chemistry with her. I think Fred would have been better for him than Buffy ever was.
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Date: 2009-07-08 02:13 pm (UTC)There is an element of Buffy=Angel that I like in season 2 - the dark mysterios older man ... but to me Spike changes during the 6 years to prove he is a good man, and that he can be the person Buffy deserves.
However I love reading from people like yourself who disagree ... and ultimately that is what makes a (2) good series - great stories, and James, David and sarah portrayed those characters really well. Long may the discussions continue.
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Date: 2009-07-08 05:02 pm (UTC)I don't think either Vampire is really better; however, I do have to defend Angel against the accusation that he never fought for his soul the way Spike did - because he did do just that by leaving Buffy and denying himself Cordy's love. He also fought for Darla's soul, Cordelia's soul, and Gunn's soul, Faith's soul, and Fred's (who he tragically lost) at various stages during the series.
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Date: 2009-07-06 02:03 pm (UTC)Indeed we all are.
Trying to be someone you're not, just to 'fit in' or please someone else is never a good idea, even if it might seem to be the easier thing to do at the time.
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Date: 2009-07-06 04:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-06 02:14 pm (UTC)"I am special - I am unique ... So are you.
We are all NORMAL."
In all its simplicity that is one huge and significant epiphany to have! It certainly gave me food for though.
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Date: 2009-07-06 04:55 pm (UTC)The show is so great, on so many levels, and that is why we still all love and watch it again ... and again.
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Date: 2009-07-06 02:38 pm (UTC)Once we move beyond that tight little world out to meet others and see different ways of life, we come into our own selves. We see those who put us down as what they really are. They are the ones who were afraid and weak. They treated us badly because they are not worthy of love or friendship. They needed to make us less to make them feel good. They are the ones living in a tightly closed box and didn't want us to escape.
Wes was very much like you and me. He grew up living with a father who never saw anything he did right. For me it was my mom and then my husband. For you it was bullies in school. On Buffy, Wes was in a tight box of who he was taught to be, a watcher. Once Wes moved on to Angel, he began an arc of finding his self worth. He changed and was able to feel good about himself, but there were moments when he slipped back into self doubt. Lineage from season five of Angel is about Wes and his father.
To me our purpose on earth is to learn about who we are and to try to grow. We have to go out in the world and experience life. There is no one normal. We all have our own path which forms us so, yes, we are unique and that is wonderful. How boring it would be if we were all the same "normal".
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Date: 2009-07-06 04:58 pm (UTC)I really must watch Angel, if only to see this growth of Wes. I have seen the last episode, and know that Wes changes - hadn't thought too much about his life on BtVS ... so thank you for that comparisson.
Miss Marple please?
Date: 2009-07-06 10:54 pm (UTC)Re: Miss Marple please?
Date: 2009-07-07 10:32 am (UTC)1) Don't know who the new actress is - LOL!
2) I'm badly colour blind.
So - if you can let me know her name I can get someone else to check ... maybe my Mum watches it, if so she may have noticed!
Sorry I can't help at this point in time.